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Eric Schulz

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Extremely rare Howard
« on: 01 February, 2009, 08:38:37 PM »
Has anyone ever seen an engine like this? The owner is right, it is pure Howard Junior rotary hoe engine with a mechanical governor added. I have never heard of such an engine. It certainly looks genuine. Normally these engines had an air vane governor. Too far away for me to look at.

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Teddy

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Re: Extremely rare Howard
« Reply #1 on: 02 February, 2009, 05:47:33 PM »
Very intersting Eric.
In this area of small farms, on steep hills in a cool climate with many berry "patches" (raspberries, blackcurrants, strawberries etc etc....)Howard rotary hoes were very poular. Most farmers had one.

I seem to recall that the engine was cranked through the gearbox. The crankhandle was permanently fixed to the machine on a swivelling block. Pull it up and out, rotate it in its block, and slide it onto the starting dog that projected from the side of the gearbox. Push in against a spring to engage the gears, then crank as with any engine. When the engine fired, the spring loaded dog pushed itself away from the gears, so that it did not rotate all the time.

Rotate the handle in its block to return it to its non-working position on the machine.

I mention all this, because I wonder how this ststionary engine version of the Howard was started? No way of pulling on a front pulley, with the governor there.

Yes, I agree, governing on the rotary hoe engines was by air vane.

A curious little modification!

Teddy.


Eric Schulz

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Re: Extremely rare Howard
« Reply #2 on: 02 February, 2009, 06:41:03 PM »
Teddy, the Junior always started from the side.



This photo is from the wrong side, but the crank handle is in line with and opposite that cap on the chain drive case.

Eric

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Re: Extremely rare Howard
« Reply #3 on: 02 February, 2009, 08:19:24 PM »
Yep, that's what I was talking about. Gearbox, final drive, whatever, it wasn't a direct cranking of the engine.
You cannot tell from the picture how the stationary engine version you discovered, was started.

BTW, that is the cleanest Howard hoe I have ever seen. They didn't stay like that for very long out on the job!

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Re: Extremely rare Howard
« Reply #4 on: 05 February, 2009, 08:02:43 PM »
     The Howard Juniors that I worked in late '40's and 1950's had no governing at all, you drove 
them with one hand on the throttle, so I would be interested to see the air-vane setup. Also recall
seeing a number of these motors and the V-twins for sale ex Army Surplus in about 1958, and was told
they came from pumps and generators etc, so assume they had some form of governing, but don't now
recall what it was, but the motor in question may well have come from one of these applications.
                                                        Regards,  Combustor.
Old Iron On The New Frontier, Kimberley, WA.  Toys include:Ruston 3VQBN,Lister VA SOM plant,
R&T 8hp CF, Chamberlain Canelander.

Eric Schulz

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Re: Extremely rare Howard
« Reply #5 on: 06 February, 2009, 07:16:09 PM »
Combustor, I had forgotten that not all hoes were governed. Now I am not sure if it even was a Howard fitting. The Victorian distributors, E Hassett & Sons may have even added this themselves.

A picture right now would be handy! The air vane was hinged on a shaft through the cast iron part of the cooling shroud and connected with linkage to the butterfly shaft. The carburettor arm was longer than the original. The governor rod went where the original hand throttle one did. An extension on the arm allowed it to be pulled against by the hand control to bring the engine back to idle speed. It was not a variable speed governor.

Two things I hope for - that I remembered this correctly and that you have at least a vague idea of what I am talking about! I must say I have not looked in detail at one of these machines for years.

Your comment about the disposals engines is interesting. I would have said the 5 hp Junior engine was not used for any other purposes than the rotary hoe. Of course that is not proof that it wasn't. The V twins were used to drive generators and pumps during the war.

Combustor, surely you have a more human-sounding name that you could use.

Eric

howard112ci

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Re: Extremely rare Howard
« Reply #6 on: 06 February, 2012, 10:55:01 PM »
just browaing and by the sounds of it the motor in question is off a Junio and were used as stationary motors. These motors were used to drive pumps and had a kick start the same as the eights. next time i'm looking at mine i'll get photos as its not at home as far as goveners go i look later
 

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Re: Extremely rare Howard
« Reply #7 on: 07 February, 2012, 06:26:04 AM »
Pics attached of twin Eight.  They were also sold as the Howard Power Unit and used on headers.

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howard112ci

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Re: Extremely rare Howard
« Reply #8 on: 06 May, 2012, 11:05:51 PM »
I'm having trouble on up loading pictures.How do I down size them.

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Re: Extremely rare Howard
« Reply #9 on: 08 May, 2012, 04:07:11 PM »
To downsize or "compress" photos try double clicking the photo and it will open up to a full screen view,this opens Windows picture manager, hopefully at the top of the view will be some options for you to choose, click on 'edit photos' and then on the right will be more options. Look down the list and click on 'compress' or 're size' and then click on web page or email size. Click the 'save' button to make sure it stays compressed. I always copy the original photo to the desktop as any changes you make and then save permanently stay that way.
Hope this helps.
Cheers, John & Dee. Coopernook. NSW.

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Re: Extremely rare Howard
« Reply #10 on: 08 May, 2012, 06:19:54 PM »
Down size a picture I have done this can everbody understand it? if not correct it
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Re: Extremely rare Howard
« Reply #11 on: 08 May, 2012, 09:41:38 PM »
i have v twin eight engine in pieces and the govenor is in the timing cover , end of crank , fly wieghts and spring , and a kick starter on other end of crank
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howard112ci

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Re: Extremely rare Howard
« Reply #12 on: 10 May, 2012, 09:41:03 PM »
Is this the engine  in question

howard112ci

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Re: Extremely rare Howard
« Reply #13 on: 10 May, 2012, 09:42:49 PM »
Thanks guys looks like the resizing has worker well.
more pic coming.

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Re: Extremely rare Howard
« Reply #14 on: 10 May, 2012, 10:16:21 PM »
In this photo bottom center is the flywheel housing with kick start bottom right.