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fargotruck

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Marine Engine ID
« on: 08 June, 2014, 01:18:12 pm »
G'day All
             I picked up a small marine engine yesterday and have not been able to identify it. I have attached some photo's hoping some one may be able to identify it. There are no markings on it anywhere.

Thanks Hugh
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klanger

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Re: Marine Engine ID
« Reply #1 on: 08 June, 2014, 05:50:08 pm »
Hi Hugh, I don't know what it is either! Is the carby an Alpha or a Shebler? Alpha carby is Australian coby of the American Shebler. May help with determining its origins.

Kev

Ps could try posting the Old Marine Engine website in America, very knowledgable folks over there.
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Kevin
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fargotruck

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Re: Marine Engine ID
« Reply #2 on: 08 June, 2014, 07:20:03 pm »
G'day Kev
                Thanks for the tip. Just to be difficult the Carburettor has no markings on it either.

Cheers Hugh
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klanger

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Re: Marine Engine ID
« Reply #3 on: 08 June, 2014, 07:36:19 pm »
Well that makes it difficult. Alphas have a small map of Aus on the side of the bowl with Alpha in it, on the opposite side of the bowl.

Kev
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Kevin
Cowes, Phillip Island. Vic
2 x 3hp Record Marine Engines
Ferro 7.5 hp Type K Marine Engine
Ferro 5.5 hp Type E Marine Engine
Ferro 5.5 hp Type F Stationary Engine
2 x Stuart Turner P5M
Simplex 5Hp
Simplex 7/10Hp Twin Cylinder
Detroit Marine Engine 4 HP

klanger

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Re: Marine Engine ID
« Reply #4 on: 08 June, 2014, 07:37:17 pm »
on the opposite side of the bowl has Model D

Kev
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Kevin
Cowes, Phillip Island. Vic
2 x 3hp Record Marine Engines
Ferro 7.5 hp Type K Marine Engine
Ferro 5.5 hp Type E Marine Engine
Ferro 5.5 hp Type F Stationary Engine
2 x Stuart Turner P5M
Simplex 5Hp
Simplex 7/10Hp Twin Cylinder
Detroit Marine Engine 4 HP

franco

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Re: Marine Engine ID
« Reply #5 on: 09 June, 2014, 02:43:16 pm »
Quote from: klanger on 08 June, 2014, 07:37:17 pm
on the opposite side of the bowl has Model D

Kev

Looks like a Schebler Model D from what can be seen in your photos.

There is a cutaway drawing and a photo of a Schebler Model D on page 3 of this document:

http://cailleoutboards.com/rowboat/SORBM-Chapter/images/Journal/RBMJ_V1_I3.pdf

Frank.
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klanger

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Re: Marine Engine ID
« Reply #6 on: 09 June, 2014, 04:12:28 pm »
May well be, they are both very similar.
The Alpha being a copy of the Shebler
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Kevin
Cowes, Phillip Island. Vic
2 x 3hp Record Marine Engines
Ferro 7.5 hp Type K Marine Engine
Ferro 5.5 hp Type E Marine Engine
Ferro 5.5 hp Type F Stationary Engine
2 x Stuart Turner P5M
Simplex 5Hp
Simplex 7/10Hp Twin Cylinder
Detroit Marine Engine 4 HP

fargotruck

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Re: Marine Engine ID
« Reply #7 on: 09 June, 2014, 07:19:04 pm »
G'day All
              I spoke to my mate up near Lismore today and he had a look at the photos and thinks it may be a Palmer made by O' Donoghue Bros in Balmain.  He saw another engine 25 years ago while making a visit to a slipway to pickup a marinised Chrysler straight engine for the Sydney Maritime Museums speed boat  Kookaburra. He spotted the engine and asked the owner of the slipway what it was as it stood out as  most of the small marine engines of that type have a one piece cylinder and head. Thanks for all the replies

Cheers Hugh
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klanger

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Re: Marine Engine ID
« Reply #8 on: 09 June, 2014, 07:47:15 pm »
Look forward to seeing it running, nice rare engine.
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Kevin
Cowes, Phillip Island. Vic
2 x 3hp Record Marine Engines
Ferro 7.5 hp Type K Marine Engine
Ferro 5.5 hp Type E Marine Engine
Ferro 5.5 hp Type F Stationary Engine
2 x Stuart Turner P5M
Simplex 5Hp
Simplex 7/10Hp Twin Cylinder
Detroit Marine Engine 4 HP

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Re: Marine Engine ID
« Reply #9 on: 09 June, 2014, 08:21:54 pm »
This engine has a couple of different features; the deep dished flywheel and the magneto drive. I see it but I don't believe it. The magneto runs at twice engine speed! Never seen that before.

I have heard of alleged Australian Palmer engines before, but none proven to be made here. O'Donoghues were agents for American Palmer engines. It is doubtful that they made any, but I am prepared to be proved wrong.

The cylinder head is like a CLAE, but it would not be a CLAE. It's a mystery, indeed.

Eric
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fargotruck

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Re: Marine Engine ID
« Reply #10 on: 26 August, 2014, 05:15:46 pm »
G'day all
             Still have had no luck identifying the engine. However have a bit more information on the carburetor. I took it to sea with me and cleaned it up. On pulling it apart I discovered a manufactures mark on the top cover. It consists of the letter R surrounded by a triangle. I have attached a couple of photo's.

Cheers Hugh
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fargotruck

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Re: Marine Engine ID
« Reply #11 on: 26 August, 2014, 05:34:02 pm »
This time with the right photo.

Cheers Hugh
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