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Title: Zephyrs
Post by: Gerilgambeth on 14 November, 2018, 03:21:11 pm
Hello Folks,

Back in '68, my first car was a Mk1 Zephyr.
Although it was a really good example, I didn't treat the thing with the respect that it deserved, and wrapped it around a tree, nearly killing the girlfriend and myself. (Nill seat belts)
Many years later I had the opportunity to buy another one and when I took it for a test drive, I just had to buy it, partly because it had the exact same rattles that the first one had.
Anyway, I've attached to this post, a couple of photos of the new-er girl. (still no seat belts) BUT....these photos are just sweeteners for my main reason for posting.

I would like to buy a Mk2 Zephyr Ute.
However, due to them being as rare as Rocking Horse Manure, I'm having difficulty finding a decent one.
So, I wonder that if you should read this, please keep in the back of your mind that some crazy old bugger on the TOMM forum is looking for one, when and if, you see one.
I'd very much appreciate it .

Thanks & Cheers,
Rob
Title: Re: Zephyrs
Post by: cobbadog on 15 November, 2018, 10:27:24 am
That's a beautiful example, you must be happy with it.
Title: Re: Zephyrs
Post by: ianoz on 21 November, 2018, 12:43:50 am
I was so close to getting this one,but apparently it was not to be .
Title: Re: Zephyrs
Post by: Triumphline on 21 November, 2018, 08:55:16 am
We had a really nice Mk1 Zephyr that my father bought off the nuns at Galong. Low mileage and not a dent in it. They are a good solid driving car.
Patrick
Title: Re: Zephyrs
Post by: Gerilgambeth on 21 November, 2018, 09:40:12 am
When the Mk1's were being assembled at Geelong, Ford Australia were toying with the idea of building a Mk1 Ute. They only made 1 or 2 of them. See the attached photo.
Also, I've attached a shot of one of the Mk2 utes. They made 16,000 of them though.
Cheers,
Rob
Title: Re: Zephyrs
Post by: Gerilgambeth on 21 November, 2018, 12:36:08 pm
Oh, and they also toyed with the idea of building a Mk1 Coupe.
I have no idea whether or not they finished any....or even one.
Rob
Title: Re: Zephyrs
Post by: Gerilgambeth on 28 November, 2018, 09:01:49 am
It looks like I've found one.
The chap selling it says he wants to give it a tidy up first, with a new coat of period correct light green paint after attending to a couple of minor rust issues and putting it on standard wheels and tyres. Its got a Mk3 engine and a Mk3 4 speed box fitted, which will add to the purpose for which I'm buying it (taking engines to rallies & towing a trailer) and its reliability too, I expect.
Cheers,
Rob
Title: Re: Zephyrs
Post by: cobbadog on 28 November, 2018, 01:51:55 pm
Very nice find. Might even be worth offering some help during the repair stage to ensure it gets cut out and not filled but nice toy for the rallies.
Title: Re: Zephyrs
Post by: Gerilgambeth on 28 November, 2018, 04:33:47 pm
Thanks John.
I live 850kms from where the ute is presently located, so lending a hand is next to impossible.
Also, I've known the chap, by reputation, for many years and he checks out fine. Thanks for your concern though.
Rob

Title: Re: Zephyrs
Post by: cobbadog on 28 November, 2018, 04:43:32 pm
Good news all round then.
Title: Re: Zephyrs
Post by: peter dixon on 28 November, 2018, 05:34:04 pm
if you know anyone coming to tas. with room in their vehicle on way back, see if they could pick up a free complete mk3 diff assembly I have kept last 20 yrs in case someone wants it! otherwise will have to go to tip one day
regards  peter
Title: Re: Zephyrs
Post by: sunshine man on 28 November, 2018, 10:41:39 pm
Hi there
I know little about the different models,
But a neighbour has a later model , he has had it from brand new , he tells me it is factory v8 .is that correct?
Everwhere he goes there is a line of people trying to buy it , no money will buy this car, he has no need for any more dollars
Regards sunshineman
Title: Re: Zephyrs
Post by: Gerilgambeth on 29 November, 2018, 06:24:24 am
Hello Sunshine Man,
No, Ford didn't produce any V8 Zephyrs or Zodiacs.....but that isn't to say that they didn't make a one off for testing and your neighbor was lucky enough to buy it.
My father bought a brand new XR Fairmont back in '66, and because it was one of the very first of them, it had Mk4 Zephyr bucket seats in it. They differed quite a lot to the later correct seats.
There are a huge number of Mk2 and Mk3 Zephyrs with small block Ford V8's in them. The engine bays are spacious and the cars don't need much modification to make them legal. (relatively)
Should you be interested in reading more about the various models, you can do so here.... Wikipedia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Zephyr
Cheers,
Rob
Title: Re: Zephyrs
Post by: wee-allis on 29 November, 2018, 07:23:25 am

Rob, perhaps Scott's mate has a Mk4 V6.
Title: Re: Zephyrs
Post by: Gerilgambeth on 29 November, 2018, 07:33:19 am
Yes Wee Allis,
There is the Mk4 Zephyr V6..... they're VERY scarce though.
BUT...... I wonder if Sunshine Man is getting mixed up with the Simca Vedette. With its fins, it looked very similar to a Mk3 Zephyr and it did run the French version of Fords little sidevalve V8-60.
I've attached a pic of the French made Simca Vedette.
Cheers,
Rob
Title: Re: Zephyrs
Post by: sunshine man on 29 November, 2018, 08:19:46 am
Hi all
He was an old gentleman that worked for ford , I assumed he was telling me the truth about the engine fittment.
He claims it was a hand picked car .
 I do know strange things happen in car assembly plants , we had in the family a ht holden premier
 Drum brakes all round , no booster, 2 speed  auto behind a 186, no air , etc.
All the interior premier, paint and badging.
Sold as premier from holden.
I had a friend who worked for the leyland plant , p76 and marinas no 2 cars were the same
Sunshineman
Title: Re: Zephyrs
Post by: Gerilgambeth on 29 November, 2018, 08:59:21 am
In a weaker moment, I worked for Leyland Australia and your statement about the P76 and the Marinas doesn't surprise me at all. In 2 years, I sold just one P76 (we called them a P38, because they were only half a car) about 3 or 4 Marinas and bucketloads of Minis. (Triumph Rover and Jaguar/Daimler were also on my books). The quality control in Leyland Australia's Zetland plant pretty well mirrored that in the British Leyland plants at the time.
I presently own a '75 Triumph Dolomite Sprint. One of 620 imported from the UK by Leyland Aus at that time. Its a great little car........NOW. Its taken (me and Steve) years to get it sorted out and MOST of the problems related to QC issues. BUT, some are related to just plain "over engineered design" being the problem. (Along with rubbish reproduction parts. But that's another story)

Back to your friends Zephyr V8.
I don't know about the New Zealand, Rhodesia or South African arms, but neither Ford Australia or Ford UK ever marketed a V8 Zephyr or Zodiac. But it wouldn't surprise me at all that it was a one off "special" built for one of their employees. If so, could you give me his address so I can join the queue at his front gate.
Cheers,
Rob
Title: Re: Zephyrs
Post by: sunshine man on 29 November, 2018, 09:47:45 pm
Remember the targa florio p76.
We used to fit buick heads to these engines with a bit of modifying, the originals just did not allow the engine to breathe
Regards sunshineman
Title: Re: Zephyrs
Post by: Gerilgambeth on 26 December, 2018, 03:28:09 pm
In another thread, someone said, now, "Back to Zephyrs"
Well, since you asked for it....
I took these shots in 2009 at the International Z,Z&C Convention in Geelong.
Mk3 Zodiacs
Mk1 ?
Mk2 Zodiac Convertible
Mk1 Convertibles
Cheers,
Rob
Title: Re: Zephyrs
Post by: Gerilgambeth on 26 December, 2018, 03:38:38 pm
Some more....
and after I post them, I promise, I'll pull my head in......
Nice Mk1 Convertible parked next to my car.
At the motel. Geelong was full of Zed cars.
Interesting rear treatment on a Mk2 ute.
My choice of all the cars there. A Windsor V8 powered Mk3 Zodiac. Won lots of prizes. But not "Top Paint"......our Purdey won that one.
Cheers,
Rob
Title: Re: Zephyrs
Post by: Scott on 27 December, 2018, 06:30:30 am
Hello Rod.
Don't pull your head in now.....you've just warmed up I bet.

That one with the pink bottom 1/2. That was the same as Nana and Pop's. So many good memories of looking through the floor at the road.  :'(
Thanks Scott
Title: Re: Zephyrs
Post by: cobbadog on 27 December, 2018, 03:59:27 pm
Thanks for posing these pics, they are wonderful. I do like the MK1 Zephyr just on its style. I bet the Zodiacs with the V8's get mobile when stomped on.
Very pleased that you got best paint, well done!
There is no need to stop at any time soon on this topic.
Title: Re: Zephyrs
Post by: Gerilgambeth on 30 January, 2019, 06:59:21 am
Sad news....for me anyway,
It turns out that the "tidy up" of the Zephyr ute I was hoping to buy is more like a "restoration", and as it continues, the price climbs.
Its climbed so far that I've now dropped out as a potential future owner.  I'm disappointed, but something else will come along no doubt.
However, I'm astounded by the prices utes, generally, are bringing. Basket case examples of otherwise ordinary utes are fetching really big money.

But that doesn't have to mean the end of this thread though, right?

There were 3 Zed cars entered in the 1953 Monte Carlo Rally. Here's a photo of the winning car, driven by Maurice Gatsonides, the chap who invented the speed camera, (so we all hate him right?) He invented the thing as an aid in improving his cornering speeds, and it morphed into the revenue raising device we all either love or hate, today.
The other shots show the car after it ran into a lorry a year or so later and now, as it is after restoration.

Cheers,
Rob
Title: Re: Zephyrs
Post by: Gerilgambeth on 01 February, 2019, 03:01:50 pm
Should anyone be interested in seeing a well sorted, well driven, Mk2 Zed car doing its thing in the 2014 Targa Tasmania, then watch this video.
Its titled "Pure Sound", so be sure to turn up the sound.
The engine is obviously not stock and I heard it had a Transit van 4 speed box fitted to it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdTXsMvcIs0
Not for Grey Motor fans.......LOL
Cheers,
Rob
Title: Re: Zephyrs
Post by: cobbadog on 01 February, 2019, 03:51:57 pm
Beautifull sound, driven like it was stolen and the tacho hardly ever went below 2000 RPM.

Nice work with the camera and the sound of rain towards the end reminded me of what it actually sounds like.
Title: Re: Zephyrs
Post by: Ian on 01 February, 2019, 09:28:47 pm
Hi All

Very good clip, The Targa Tasmania comes past our front door every year.   I more than likely saw the Zephyr at the time.  This year we have leg four, our road will be closed between 0831 and 1301 on the Thursday the second of May.   Anyone wanting a good vantage point is welcome to use our front paddock, with nice views of the approach to a sharp lefthander and cars speeding away from us down Preston Rd.

Regards

Ian
Title: Re: Zephyrs
Post by: Gerilgambeth on 05 February, 2019, 01:46:30 pm
Oran Park, 1965.....
Mk1 Zephyr leading a pack of angry humpies.