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Kim S

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Re: Tool 1
« Reply #285 on: 11 June, 2018, 07:36:12 pm »
Well that's what they have been sold as and called for the last 180 years, BTW your not the only machinist on the forum, possibly a 'expert' though?, if you are a expert why ask what it is? perhaps you don't understand how 'exactly' they are used ?

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Re: Tool 1
« Reply #286 on: 11 June, 2018, 09:50:28 pm »
Hahaha your funny 180years hahahah By by this thread has been undermined   
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Re: Tool 1
« Reply #287 on: 12 June, 2018, 07:01:45 am »
Hello Ian
Would the sizes for the pipe be 1/4, 3/8, 1/2" and 5/8ths of an inch?
I see sizes are on the opposite to where the die numbers are.

I'm going to throw my hat into the ring and say that particular tool is known as a stock and die.

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Re: Tool 1
« Reply #288 on: 12 June, 2018, 07:27:08 am »
Hello again.
I'm not even going to ask where you got those ads from Kim because you simply won't.
I'll even venture further to suggest the tool Ian has found can be referred to as a machinists', gunsmiths' and amateurs' screw plate as well as a good old plain stock and dies as I just mentioned.

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Re: Tool 1
« Reply #289 on: 12 June, 2018, 08:11:34 am »
Blacksmith stock , dies and taps...... ::)

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Re: Tool 1
« Reply #290 on: 12 June, 2018, 08:41:41 am »
Hello all
How could I predict you would not reference where you got those ads from Kim?

I don't agree the tool Ian has posted to be a Blacksmith die as suggested in post number 277.
One reason would have to be....why would a blacksmith want brass threads?
From my limited knowledge, isn't the die the threading bit, the stock is the thing that holds the die? Even then I do not agree the term 'blacksmith' has anything to do in the naming of this particular tool.

One thing you have to remember Kim is just because you say so doesn't mean it is.
In this case I believe you to be wrong. Most people would gracious to accept that they were wrong and be grateful that they have learnt something contradictory to what they believed to be true. But not you. What's the word for that?

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Re: Tool 1
« Reply #291 on: 12 June, 2018, 08:44:49 am »
No Kim wrong again, here is some more from my oldest catalogue
Sorry it is only 125 years old not 180 ,don't see blacksmith mentioned
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Re: Tool 1
« Reply #292 on: 12 June, 2018, 09:12:46 am »
No, Blacksmiths stocks and dies........ ;)

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Re: Tool 1
« Reply #293 on: 12 June, 2018, 09:35:23 am »
No, Blacksmiths stocks and dies........ ;)
Do you keep saying that because you want to argue like a troll and cannot find any evidence that supports that the item Ian posted is a Blacksmiths' stock and dies other then the picture you've posted? The item in the ad you've posted looks nothing like Ian's tool. For a starter it has 2 long handles.
I agree with Ian. Your wrong. Not just wrong but very wrong in describing that tool Ian posted as a Blacksmiths' stocks and die.
This ad is from an Australian catalog put out by the Lassetter firm who was based in Sydney.

As a side note Ian. How big is that stock physically?
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Re: Tool 1
« Reply #294 on: 12 June, 2018, 09:39:10 am »
Here you go Scott.

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Re: Tool 1
« Reply #295 on: 12 June, 2018, 09:58:53 am »
Hello Kim.
I don't know if you've realised or not, but the picture you just posted is of a threading tap. No only that, when you look at the sizes, there is no 26 TPI. That does not support your theory of Ian's tool been a Blacksmiths' anything.
What was the point in posting that picture at all. It's a tap and there's no 26 TPI. Ian's tool is a stock and die with only 26 TPI.

In the picture of the Blacksmiths' tap you posted in reply number 277, it is obvious that the tap was on page 142 in a C.A.S. catalog.
In that catalog, what is on page 149? Would be something like this? What? No mention of Blacksmiths' stock and dies?
Actually there is no mention what so ever of Blacksmiths' stock and die in that catalog.
https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=nyp.33433066407945;view=1up;seq=184

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Re: Tool 1
« Reply #296 on: 12 June, 2018, 10:13:19 am »
What ever you reckon Scott as you are indeed a "expert" as has been observed over the years and well proven, now back to the workshop to sort out my blacksmiths tap and dies and the engineers tap and dies.

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Re: Tool 1
« Reply #297 on: 12 June, 2018, 12:31:06 pm »
Kim the link you put up the tool has 2 handles mine does not
Scott the one you put up is a twin to mine and 14 1/2" long
Kim your link does not say 'blacksmith'
**HOLROYD and J M KING Waterford NY Screw Plates Tap & Dies** 
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Re: Tool 1
« Reply #298 on: 12 June, 2018, 02:06:03 pm »
What ever you reckon Scott as you are indeed a "expert" as has been observed over the years and well proven, now back to the workshop to sort out my blacksmiths tap and dies and the engineers tap and dies.
Hello Kim.
Is that your way of saying.....What a great day. I've learnt something today. I always thought those suckers were Blacksmiths' dies but now I know I was wrong and they're simply a stock and dies. Cheers-thanks for that.?
If so, then your welcome.  ;D

Cheers Scott
 

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Re: Tool 1
« Reply #299 on: 12 June, 2018, 03:35:21 pm »
Scott the 'tool' expert..........