Author Topic: 1913 DX port 8 HP Cooper Stover ' E ' standard w/m s/b t/c  (Read 19933 times)

Eric Schulz

  • Member
  • *
  • Posts: 923
Re: 1913 DX port 8 HP Cooper Stover ' E ' standard w/m s/b t/c
« Reply #15 on: 24 July, 2018, 08:12:16 pm »
Because my research is aimed at Australian built engines and tractors, Invincible became less interesting after 1930. As far as I can tell, this would be the last year, give or take a bit, that they made engines here. Even then they contained imported parts.

Looking through a number of catalogues between the 30's and the 50's, there is never any mention of being a part of any other company, apart from Invincible in Chicago.

Advertising seems to end in 1954. Having started in 1906, they probably just ran out of steam.

Eric

EMU

  • Member
  • *
  • Posts: 79
Re: 1913 DX port 8 HP Cooper Stover ' E ' standard w/m s/b t/c
« Reply #16 on: 24 July, 2018, 08:37:15 pm »
Eagle Manufacturing Union , Clarke and Faucet Brisbane would have been around at a similar time importing Hercules Engines .

EMU

  • Member
  • *
  • Posts: 79
Re: 1913 DX port 8 HP Cooper Stover ' E ' standard w/m s/b t/c
« Reply #17 on: 24 July, 2018, 08:41:16 pm »
Interesting enough is that how many Cooper Stovers DX E8 standards exist in Australia ?.

EMU

  • Member
  • *
  • Posts: 79
Re: 1913 DX port 8 HP Cooper Stover ' E ' standard w/m s/b t/c
« Reply #18 on: 24 July, 2018, 08:46:47 pm »
I do you read that Cooper had associates for Parts for these Engines,  the Igniter has Cooper stamped underneath . So Cooper did manufacture through association atleat Igniter .

EMU

  • Member
  • *
  • Posts: 79
Re: 1913 DX port 8 HP Cooper Stover ' E ' standard w/m s/b t/c
« Reply #19 on: 24 July, 2018, 08:47:44 pm »
It's a one of .

EMU

  • Member
  • *
  • Posts: 79
Re: 1913 DX port 8 HP Cooper Stover ' E ' standard w/m s/b t/c
« Reply #20 on: 24 July, 2018, 08:51:09 pm »
I have been told there is a 5 hp ODX getting around here .

tim

  • Member
  • *
  • Posts: 222
Re: 1913 DX port 8 HP Cooper Stover ' E ' standard w/m s/b t/c
« Reply #21 on: 26 July, 2018, 12:41:39 pm »
From 1912 - I like how Invincible say they could supply Australian or American made!
Central West, NSW

Triumphline

  • Global Moderator
  • Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2090
Re: 1913 DX port 8 HP Cooper Stover ' E ' standard w/m s/b t/c
« Reply #22 on: 26 July, 2018, 12:48:01 pm »
Edd Payne did a lot of work on an Invincible badged engine (identical to a Stover YA). Edd was positive that it was built by Invincible and not Stover.
Patrick
Patrick M Livingstone
The Austral Register
Sydney, NSW

Eric Schulz

  • Member
  • *
  • Posts: 923
Re: 1913 DX port 8 HP Cooper Stover ' E ' standard w/m s/b t/c
« Reply #23 on: 26 July, 2018, 02:05:00 pm »
There is no reason to doubt that Invincible Stovers were built here. The following article gives some idea of Invincible's capability. From Australian Motor Boat & Yachting Monthly, Sept 1930:

Invincible Motors, Limited, are celebrating their 25th anniversary during September. It was on September 1, 1906, that Mort's Dock and Engineering Co Ltd, founded their "Invincible Motor Department" at Woolwich Dock, on the Parramatta River.
Due to the foresight of the late JP Franki, general manager of Mort's Dock and Engineering Co, Ltd, the new industry was put on a sound basis at the start by substantial financial allowances and the use of the enormous plant of this large firm.
So to speak, the Invincible Industry may have been started with the lowest possible protection (the Customs duty then being only 20 per cent, as against over, 80 per cent to-day); but otherwise this new industry was born with a golden spoon in its mouth. The resources of Mort's Dock, with its large foundries, forges, and machine shops were at the motor department's disposal from the start. No wonder that within six months a complete line of marine engines from 2-1/2 hp to 80 hp, and comprising 20 different models had been designed, made, and catalogued.
By the middle of 1907 about 150 hands were directly or indirectly employed at the great works, solely on motor work. At that time Invincible marine engines were 100 per cent Australian; even the carburettors were entirely made at Woolwich.
The first manager resigned in 1909, and then the motor department was formed into a separate limited liability company, with Mr KF Boehm as managing director, a position which he has now occupied for 21 years.
The Chief Engineer of Invincible Motors Ltd, Mr WH Rowe, who joined the company In 1909, is still in the same position, and so is Mr EJ Dempsey, one of the original directors.

Eric

EMU

  • Member
  • *
  • Posts: 79
Re: 1913 DX port 8 HP Cooper Stover ' E ' standard w/m s/b t/c
« Reply #24 on: 26 July, 2018, 08:26:46 pm »
Thank you very much for this information . It shows that Australia "then" was capable of manufacturing these Engines and others . Incredible reading . Thank you

EMU

  • Member
  • *
  • Posts: 79
Re: 1913 DX port 8 HP Cooper Stover ' E ' standard w/m s/b t/c
« Reply #25 on: 26 July, 2018, 08:29:33 pm »
Wow, Australian made thanks for sharing this information .

EMU

  • Member
  • *
  • Posts: 79
Re: 1913 DX port 8 HP Cooper Stover ' E ' standard w/m s/b t/c
« Reply #26 on: 26 July, 2018, 08:30:36 pm »
Then where does Cooper as a manufacturing Company come into being . In Australia .

Triumphline

  • Global Moderator
  • Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2090
Re: 1913 DX port 8 HP Cooper Stover ' E ' standard w/m s/b t/c
« Reply #27 on: 26 July, 2018, 08:40:23 pm »
Wow, Australian made thanks for sharing this information .
Your engine was built by Stover. Cooper didn?t start making their own engines until quite late as they had other sources such as Stover & Chicago Flexible Shaft.
Patrick.
Patrick M Livingstone
The Austral Register
Sydney, NSW

Eric Schulz

  • Member
  • *
  • Posts: 923
Re: 1913 DX port 8 HP Cooper Stover ' E ' standard w/m s/b t/c
« Reply #28 on: 27 July, 2018, 09:34:37 am »
For the Cooper - Stover connection, a good article appeared in the American Gas Engine Magazine by our own Australian researcher, Ron Wiley. Go to http://gasengine.farmcollector.com/gas-engines/Australian-Built-Stovers.aspx

Eric

EMU

  • Member
  • *
  • Posts: 79
Re: 1913 DX port 8 HP Cooper Stover ' E ' standard w/m s/b t/c
« Reply #29 on: 27 July, 2018, 11:32:59 am »
Eric, it would be possible that Cooper made parts for a Shortfall . Yes, although I pretty sure they came complete . Long motor, Short motor .